I further continued: “Today being UG’s birthday, I would like to know what you understood about UG”.
Venkat: “After Jillellamudi Amma passed away, a few of her followers joined UG. Nellore doctor and his son were among them”.
Me: “Oh really! It is but normal. Ordinary people only require emotional support but not the truth. Those in quest of truth do not change their Gurus in this way. Keeping it aside, what did UG say about Amma?”
Venkat: “I do not know. May be Mr. Chandrasekhar is aware of it.”
Me: “I spoke with him in the past. Do you know him?”
Venkat: “Yes. I also spoke with him. He conducts video meetings. I attended a few of those. I noticed something strange. After a great soul passes away, their disciples shift to other gurus. Bharadwaja left Jillellamudi after Amma’s passing away. Many of her disciples moved to Arunachalam. A few resorted to UG. After Ramana Maharshi passed away, his disciples too moved away from the place.”
Me: “But Chalam remained there.”
Venkat: “Chalam and Sowris were a lot attracted to UG. They often quoted that when UG walked, he looked like Lord Shiva himself.”
Me: “If yes, why did they not follow UG? Sowris also paved her own way and moved forward but did not follow UG. Chandrasekhar also mentioned that UG whenever he visited India, would travel to Arunachalam from Bangalore just to see Chalam”.
Venkat: “Talaiyar Khan was a devotee of Ramana Maharshi. She built an ashram right next to the mountain in Arunachalam. The mountain was visible from her terrace. She offered the ashram to UG begging him to settle in the place.
UG said he’d convert the place into a prostitution centre within a day. Talaiyar Khan was astonished at the words. UG did not accept the ashram. Khan passed away at the very place. Her grave is still there.”
I asked: “Why did UG say that?”
Venkat: “I do not know. He sometimes used such impolite language.”
Me: “Didn’t UG criticize all Gurus?”
Venkat: “Yes he did. He used the meanest of curses. Not only that – many nadi astrologers approached him to research on his previous births.”
Me: “I had heard about it. What did they infer?”
Venkat: “In one of his previous births, UG was a disciple of Sri Ramanujacharya and one among current UG-followers was a Saiva then. During the clashes between Vaishnavas and Shaivas in the olden days, this duo of friends sorted out the issues and set up peace. Nadi astrology predicted that this was the reason they both met in this life as well. Goddess Bhuvaneshwari mostly said these words about UG in the Nadi: “He is my child. His mind is very lofty. “
Me: “Looks good.”
Venkat: “There used to be a woman named Syamala, who was a follower of UG. She passed away before UG in an accident. UG would always ask ‘Why did Syamala die like that?’. Even before his death, he posed the same question many times.”
Me: “Really? UG remained in US while his wife was returning to India. Even when she was facing psychological issues and passed away, he stayed back in Europe. He did not regret those actions. Why would such a person react so intensely when one among his followers passed away? Of course, he doesn’t like the term ‘followers’ but we can use it for better understanding.”
Venkat: “I do not know. But he regretted sleeping with a Jewish woman once during his stay in Europe. Maybe he disconnected with his wife as a remorse.”
I laughed and said “Why? There is no relation between the two incidents. Why did he have to disconnect with his wife for having a one night stand with a Jewish woman? Isn’t it wrong? If this practice was to be followed, majority of men on Earth would have to separate from their wives. And many women may have to separate from their spouses as well. “
Venkat: “I do not know the explanation.”
Me: “It means there were a few topics beyond his understanding as well. Can this be inferred from the points you mentioned?”
Venkat: “Maybe. Before his death, a Goddess in white appeared and offered him: ‘Do you want me to extend your life-span? Do you want to live longer? If you want me to, I can increase your days’. UG replied with a firm: ‘No. I do not wish to stay any longer’. “
Me: “I have never heard of this. If UG was dead after this, how did the world know about this incident? Who was the third person who was present at that time? Who let it out to the world?”
Venkat: “UG did not die immediately after that. This happened a few days before his actual demise. He let the word out.”
Me: “As per my knowledge, he slipped while trying to pick up a bucket in the bathroom, fell down and fractured his leg. It was the second time this happened. He stopped eating after this incident and invited death willingly. He passed away a week or two later. Did the Goddess appear during this time-period?”
Venkat: “I am not sure. But many miracles happened in his presence. UG cured a few cancer cases as well. He would place his hand on the head of the person suffering from cancer for about half an hour. The person would be cured of cancer. But he did not do this to everybody.”
Venkat: “I do not know.”
Me: “He died in Italy, right?”
Me: “Mahesh Bhatt was present during his time of death. He even performed UG’s final rituals.”
My daughter, who was listening to the discussion, mentioned, “Pooja Bhatt posted UG’s photo yesterday with a message – ‘The father my father never had’. “
Me: “Yes. Their family has immense devotion towards UG.”
Venkat: “Mahesh Bhatt was a stout devotee of UG. Even UG mingled very casually with him. Spirits appeared to UG wherever he was. Even snakes surrounded him. Once, UG was very angry about some issue. It is said that Jiddu Krishnamurthy travelled to him in astral form and told him ‘Cool down Old man’. This angered UG further and he went on abusing Jiddu through the day.”
Me: “Jillellamudi Amma also said ‘Get him to me for once’. Mr. Chandrasekhar and Sri Pada tried their best to get UG to Jillellamudi but it never happened.”
Venkat: “When somebody complained to Amma that Jiddu was cursing all Gurus, she replied ‘Uppu (Salt) would come to take over Jiddu (Oil)’. UG’s surname was Uppuluru! A few years later, UG started cursing Jiddu.”
I remained silent and thought “Uppu took Jiddu to task and got rid of him. Now who should take over to get rid of Uppu?”
Venkat continued: “UG described the calamity he underwent as ‘a-casual’. He even said that it could happen to anybody. A person by name Karl Renz also underwent similar calamity. His body used to glow in darkness and sacred ash dropped from his body. This happened to UG as well. He explained the phenomenon as, ‘A thought originating in my mind dies instantaneously. The remains of the thought drop from my body as ash’.”
Me: “Yes. It is true. But does this person called Karl Renz still exist?”
Venkat replied: “Yes. Half of the year he resides in Arunachalam. He spends rest of the year in other countries. While residing in Arunachalam, he sends an open invitation for everyone to attend free of cost. Outside the place, he charges for the discourses. You can find his preaching videos on Youtube as well.”
Me: “Why does he need to charge for a discourse? Anyway, it’s his choice and none of our business”
Sometime later, I explained Venkat what exactly happened to UG, why calamity occurs, the reason for his strange behaviour at times, why seekers on the path of sadhana undergo such struggle. They are hugely guarded secrets of yoga and cannot be revealed to everyone on public forums. Hence, they will not be penned here.
I gifted him my books – ‘The secret of Srividya’ and ‘The hidden meanings of Lalita Sahasranama’ and asked him to go through them thoroughly. I encouraged him to come back if he had any questions and bade him good-bye.