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Sunday, 27 September 2020
Legendary Singer S P Balasubramanyam - Astro chart analysis
Wednesday, 9 September 2020
How did Ma Yog Vivek (Prem Nirvano) die? - Astro analysis
With the help of Astrology, I wish to crack a mystery that has been in the row for the past 31 years in Osho circles. This is about Ma Yog Vivek a.k.a Prem Nirvano's mysterious death.
She was born as Christian Woolf Smith in the United Kingdom on 19-3-1949 and died as Ma Prem Nirvano in Pune Ashram on 9-12-1989. Osho initially changed her name as Ma Yog Vivek and later as Ma Prem Nirvano. She lived a short life of just 40 years during which she spent almost 20 years serving Osho as his caretaker and lover. But for her care, Osho would not have lived that long, because he was not a healthy man at all.
Osho told a story about her, most of which I believe was a mere concoction. He told his followers that there was a certain doctor called Sharma in his village whose daughter Sasi was his childhood friend. Osho and Sasi were in love with each other. However, Sasi died suddenly in 1947 due to some disease. On her deathbed she promised Osho that she would come back and take care of him.
However, Osho said that Sasi was reborn as Christian Woolf Smith in 1949 in the United Kingdom. I guess this was a blatant lie as Osho was known for telling lies left and right to suit the story he was narrating. At the age of 20 or so, she came to India in search of spirituality, met Osho and stayed with him till her death in 1989 at the age of 40. There are stories that she remembered her past life in the presence of Osho. No one knows for sure if this story was true, but everybody agrees that there was a strong bond of love between them. It was an undeniable fact that she really took care of Osho's personal needs for 20 years.
It was not easy to serve Osho. One needed to be very careful and mindful to do so because he was a chronic patient and suffered from many allergies. He was allergic to dust, smells, body odors and a host of other things. He used to catch cold easily. He could not tolerate a temperature higher than 17 degrees. He could not tolerate heavy sounds. He expected his surroundings to be spic and span. Vivek had put up with all these idiosyncrasies of Osho for 20 years and served him carefully like a faithful wife. But she never took advantage of her position and proximity to Osho, never bossed over others like Sheela did. Most of the times, she was silent like a shadow.
You can find all this and much more on the Web. I dont want to repeat all that again. I want to talk about her death. She died in very mysterious circumstances. The mystery surrounding her death has not been cleared till now by anybody. They did gross injustice to Vivek by hushing up her death and burning her body in the dead of the night, within two hours after her death. Osho was very much alive then and never talked about it openly. This was the gift Osho gave to his lifelong caretaker and lover. Pathetic indeed !
The disciples of Osho who are alive today are telling cock and bull stories about Vivek's death but not coming out with the truth. So, I wanted to crack this mystery with the help of Astrology.
It was curious to observe that most of the disciples of Osho were born in 1949 when Jupiter was in Makara in his sign of debility. Indian Astrology calls it Guru Dosha or 'the curse of preceptor'. That is the reason why, despite the high sounding words they speak, none of the disciples of Osho got enlightened !
Vivek was born under Anuradha star. These people are very peculiar in their nature because their Moon would be in debility. So, they never know how their unsteady minds behave. Not only Anuradha, Visakha-4 and all the four quarters of Jyeshta are similar, because they all fall under the sign of Vrischika, Moon's sign of debility.
It is true that stars do possess certain qualities that get reflected in the natives born under their influence. In the Vedic times, Visakha star was called 'Radha', so the succeeding star got its name as 'Anuradha' or that which follows Radha. True to this symbolism, natives born under Anuradha always follow somebody, either physically or mentally through out their lives. In Vivek's case both of them did happen.
- Debilitated 9th Lord Jupiter in her 7th house shows her lover and guru, Osho clearly.
- Saturn the 7th Lord retro in 2nd house of family matters shows that her marriage/love will spoil her family life totally.
- Debilitated Moon in her 5th house shows a controversial love affair which ends in depression and ultimate tragedy.
- Extreme love for Osho
- Prediction of Osho'sdeath within a month by his personal doctors.
- Her own failing health.
- Unsteady mind
- Bad planetary dasa
- Bad transit of planets
- Very bad PMS
- Well researched methods of suicide readily available at hand
- Skilled persons who can induce painless death
- Fear of 'What will happen to me after Osho's death?'
Sunday, 6 September 2020
Ma Anand Sheela - Astro analysis - 2
According to Wikipedia, she was the youngest of six children. That should make her a Vrisha or Kataka or Vrischika or Mina Lagna native. Going by the state of 5th, 7th and 9th houses, all these four lagnas satisfy her kind of mindset, her guru and her multiple marriages and affairs.
Now let me do a quick exercise in rectification of her birth time.
Revati - 2 will hold Vrischika Lagna from 4.08 to 6.23 hours.
Revati -3 will hold Mina Lagna from 11.51 to 13.21 hours.
Revati - 3 will also hold Vrishabha Lagna from 15.03 to 17.01 hours.
Revati - 4 will hold Kataka Lagna from 19.13 to 21.28 hours.
In this span of nearly 17 hours, with these four Lagnas each spanning roughly over 2 hours, we need to locate her correct lagna, taking the help of events from her life.
Revati - 2
Revati-2 reigned from 4.08 to 6.13 hours on that day spanning over Vrischika Lagna. This segment of Moon falls in Makara in D-9, superimposing the three planets already located over there, according to Rasi Tulya Navamsa technique. This confirms her mind and the events of her life very clearly. Makara gives a very adamant mindset. These natives simply refuse to be bogged down. They are very adamant people and face many hurdles in their life but will not bow down to them and eventually come out successful. So she must have been born in this time slot.In Dwadasamsa or D-12, which is another important division to be looked into, Moon was in Vrischika, its neecha position well within this time. From 4.31 to 4.41 hours, Makara lagna rises in D-12 with neecha Venus in the 9th house showing a neecha guru. So, her birth time should have been between 4.31 and 4.41 AM.
Taking the help of Shashtyamsa (D-60) to further narrow down the time, I find that it should be either Makara Lagna over there with 4.40 and 4.41. We have a neecha Venus in her 9th house and exalted Nodes in her 5th and 11th houses.
Only 4.41 being Vrischika lagna fits correctly in Astottaramsa (D-108) to deliver the goods. So her birth time should be 4.41 AM. As a double check up, let me look at the dasa at the time of her birth. It is Me-Ve-Ra, exactly showing her birth map at a glance. This segment indicates at 4.41 hours to be her birth minute.
In this star pada, Moon falls into Kumbha, a sign of selfless love and heart full giving. I think she really did put her mind and soul at the feet of Osho. Even in her recent interview with Karan Johar, Sheela says 'I look back with reverence at Osho'. In spite of Osho badmouthing her, she says even now that her love for him has not dwindled at all. That makes Sheela a very sincere lover conforming to the qualities of Kumbha Rasi in D-9.
Looking at Dwadasamsa, I find that Kumbha Lagna fits her life very well. We have Rahu in 9th signifying exalted Saturn, showing a powerful but diabolical guru and Venus the 9th lord debilitated in 8th house, showing terrible loss in her life because of her guru. Mars+Moon in 11th aspected by Saturn+Jupiter from Mithuna shows 5 elder siblings. So, in this timeslot of D-12, Kumbha Lagna suits her well. Kumbha Lagna in D-12 reigns from 13.15 to 13.22 hours.
In Trimsamsa which shows the mindset of the native, Vrischika lagna reigns during this time slot. We have exalted Saturn in 12th house showing secret plans related to many people and Mercury in 7th house showing cunning intelligence and the Moon along with Venus in Makara the 3rd house aspecting her 9th house showing a strong karma linked to multiple sexual relations. So, this time slot seems to hold water.
Going further down into Ashtottaramsa (D-108), I find that 13.19 hours fixes the issue perfectly well. Here we have a debilitated Jupiter (neecha guru) in her 3rd house looking straight at Mercury in her 9th house, indicating very clearly that she will suffer in the hands of an intelligent bad guru.
So, in this category, 13.19 hours is the exact minute when she must have been born.
Now I will look at the birth dasa for double check up. It was Me-Ra-Ju. Rahu was in Lagna showing a Guru Chandala Yoga, a strong curse from her past life related to her guru. Mercury and Neecha Jupiter aspect her 3rd house ( the house of Karma axis 3/9 ), her 5th house of love and devotion and her 7th house of relations and marriage. Perfect reflection of her life again !
Revati - 3
In this segment, we find Vrishabha Lagna rising from 15.03 to 17.01 hours.
In this time slot, Moon lies again in Kumbha Rasi in D-9. The significance of this placement was already explained above. So, no need to repeat again. In Navamsa the time slot of 15.40 to 15.52 tells the tale of her life clearly, because we find a neecha Rahu in her 9th house, signifying Jupiter and a Guru Chandala Yoga again.
Looking at Dwadasamsa (D-12) we find Kanya Lagna with neecha Venus as 9th lord signifying a neecha guru rising from 15.40 to 15.48, thereafter shifting to Tula which makes the picture go off the mark. So according to D-12, her birth time should be between 15.40 and 15.48 hours.
Let us further narrow it down with the help of Trimsamsa (D-30). In this chart, between 15.40 and 15.46, the Lagna is Kanya and then for the remaining two minutes i.e 15.47 and 15.48 it shifts to Mina. Among these two lagnas, I think Mina suits her mindset, which this divisional chart shows clearly. From Mina Lagna we have a neecha Moon in her 9th house showing the state of her guru and his hidden plans. Rahu and Jupiter together in her Lagna makes her prone to a powerful Guru Chandala Yoga again. So we have two contestants here, 15.47 and 15.48.
Here comes Shashtyamsa (D-60). It gives Vrishabha Lagna alone for both the above minutes. So we need to go down further.
Looking at Ashtottaramsa (D-108), we find that 15.47 is Vrischika Lagna with a neecha Jupiter in 3rd house looking straight at her 9th house which shows her guru. When time moves to 15.48, the Lagna shifts to Dhanus which cannot explain her life clearly. So, 15.47 is the exact minute put forth by this time slot as its contestant.
Now let me apply the dasa. It is Mercury-Rahu-Venus, again exactly reflecting the course of her life and her life path.
Revati - 4
In this segment rises Kataka Lagna from 19.13 to 21.28 hours.
Dwadasamsa gives Makara lagna from 20.22 to 20.30 hours. Here we have neecha Venus in her 9th house, again showing a neecha guru as the major force that decides her life path.
Now coming back to Navamsa, we see that upto 20.28 it was Vrischika Lagna and for the remaining two minutes it shifts to Dhanus Lagna. Among these two, Vrischika seems to fit more. So according to Navamsa, her birth time should be between 20.22 and 20.28 hours.
In Trimsamsa the entire time slot between 20.22 and 20.28 gives us Mina Lagna beset with a strong Guru Chandala Yoga. A neecha Moon in her 9th house shows a mean guru. So we need to look further down.
Taking the help of Shashtyamsa we see that both 20.22 and 20.23 land un in Makara lagna with a neecha Venus in her 9th house showing the teachings of her guru to be sex oriented. Rahu and Mercury in her 5th house ruled over by Venus show her multiple love affairs or marriages correctly.
Now we need a further magnifying tool, the Ashtottaramsa, which shows that 20.22 gives us Vrishabha Lagna with a neecha Jupiter in her 9th house showing a neecha guru clearly.
Let me look at the birth dasa now. It was Me-Sa-Sa. This dasa indicates her multiple marriages and love affairs and a curse to this effect haunting her family line, but not the role of her guru in her life.
Now, from the above analysis, we have four birth times before us, all seeming very appropriate. They are:
1. 4.41 hours
2. 13.19 hours
3. 15.47 hours
4. 20.22 hours
Let me take each of them and test with a decisive date known in the life of Sheela. There are many in her life, but the death of Osho seems to be the most important one i.e 19th Jan 1990.
Event Testing
4.41 hours chart with Vrischika Lagna and Mina rasi
On that date, it was Sun-Moon-Mercury dasa for this chart. Sun is 10th Lord not connected. Moon is 9th Lord showing a guru with a diabolical mindset. Mercury is 12th to 9th showing death of guru.
13.19 hours chart with Mina Lagna and Mina Rasi
It was Moon-Moon-Moon dasa on that date. Moon is not directly involved in the death of her guru at all, except being aspected by Mars the 9th Lord directly from 7th, indicating a faint chance. So, this is rejected.
15.47 hours chart with Vrishabha Lagna and Mina Rasi
It was Moon-Rahu-Rahu on that date. From 9th Makara, both Moon and Rahu were in 3rd house of longevity damaging it. Moon is a maraka being the 7th Lord. From 9th Lord Saturn signifying her guru, both Moon and Rahu are in 8th house suggesting death of her guru. This time slot seems to tally well.
20.22 hours chart with Kataka Lagna and Mina Rasi
It was Moon-Saturn-Saturn on that date signifying a terrible loss and mental worry. Saturn is 8th Lord, 12th to 9th indicating death of guru. From 9th Lord Jupiter, Moon is a maraka in 3rd house of longevity and Saturn is in 8th of destruction. Both Moon and Saturn are in 6/8 position. So this time slot scores very high marks.
So, 15.47 and 20.22 seems to hold water.
More Events
In 1965/66 she moved to the USA for higher studies.
20.22 - It was Venus-Moon. Venus is 4th lord showing education and Moon is Lagna lord in 9th indicating a foreign country.
15.47 - It was Venus-Venus. Venus is the Lagna lord in 9th house showing movement to a foreign land.
In 1981 Osho made her his personal secretary and they moved to USA
15.47 - It was Venus - Ketu. Ketu signifies exalted Mercury indicating a very intelligent and secret plan. He is with Mars, karaka for land acquisition.
20.22 - It was Sun - Rahu with Sun in 6th house and Rahu in 9th. This is a grahana yoga which does not support her elevation to such heights.
1984 to 85 - Days of conflicts and crimes at Rajaneeshpuram
20.22 - Sun dasa with Mercury, Ketu and Venus sub dasas. They certainly show quarrels and strife with the locals of Antelope, with the Sun in 6th house, but not any criminal activity.
15.47 - Sun dasa again with Jupiter and Saturn antaras. With the Vrishabha lagna, we have the Sun in the 8th house of secret plans and crimes, Jupiter in the 9th showing involvement of a guru, and Saturn the 9th lord and a badhaka sitting in 4th house of her mind, encouraging her in all nasty activities. So here too, 15.47 seems to hold water.
13 Sept 1985 is another water mark day in her life. On this day, she fled to Europe, leaving Osho and Rajaneeshpuram forever.
15.47 chart - It was Sun-Saturn-Venus. Sun is in 8th, 12th to 9th showing leaving her guru. Saturn is the 9th lord showing her guru in 4th house, indicating the guru staying put at Rajaneeshpuram and Venus is herself in the 9th indicating another foreign country. Sun and Saturn are father and son, but staunch enemies indicating a bitter rift between the guru and disciple. So, this dasa seems to agree again !
Based on the above Astrological analysis, I think her birth time was 15.47 hours on 28.12.1949.
This chart seems to explain the following points more than the other charts.
1. Her five elder siblings from the 11th house.
2. Her father signified by the debilitated Jupiter in the 9th house, who sent her at the age of 16 in 1965 to USA for higher studies and advised her to be open, liberal and experiment with boyfriends before settling for marriage.
3. Osho, her controversial guru, who again is represented by the debilitated Jupiter in her 9th house, who used her as his instrument in doing all the things she did.
4. Her tough and independent nature which made her stand against all the odds she faced very bravely. No other woman, in my view. would have ever survived such battering and such hardship. Vrishabha Lagna natives are such. They are very tough earth bound souls, usually with little inclination for spirituality.
I think she did well in abandoning Osho in 1985. Had she continued, she would have been buried more into crime and nefarious activity as prompted by her guru.
Though Osho badmouthed her, she never uttered a single derogatory word for him. She says she still loves and adores him as her guru. In my view, this gesture of hers places her in a higher place than her guru could ever reach.
Rahu the dasa lord in 11th house and transit Saturn in the 11th house are doing all good to her now. Let us wish her all the best in her future endeavours !
Wednesday, 2 September 2020
Ma Anand Sheela - Astro analysis - 1
According to wikipedia she was born on 28-12-1949 at Baroda, today's Vadodara in Gujarat state of India. Birth time is not known. However this need not deter us from analyzing her birth chart, because we have enough tools to do so.
All said and done, we cannot simply brush aside the role of Osho in the modern Indian spiritual scenario. Despite all the crimes that were committed in his organisation, both in India and USA, we cannot say that his logic, his thinking and his books are useless. He talked really good things, at least to a large extent, though he failed miserably in translating his great teachings into real life. He criticized everybody, politicians and saints alike, only to become a laughing stock in the end of his life. He may be good or bad or ugly or whatever, it is simply not easy for India and USA to forget Osho totally. All the gurus who came after him are using his teaching directly or indirectly. This is an undeniable truth.
Sheela was born under Revati star according to Indian Asttrology. On the day she was born, it was Sukla Navami, Wednsday, the Yoga being Parigha. To my amusement I found that I share the same star with her. Maybe that is the reason why, despite reading so much and listening to so many people, branding Sheela as the real villain of the Osho circus, I somehow feel a soft corner for her in my heart.
According to Sheela, she did not do anything that Osho did not approve of. Osho sat behind the screens and cleverly got everything done through Sheela. However, in the end, Osho acted innocent and throwed all the blame on her. Of all his crimes, I think this is the biggest crime he committed. He was the mastermind behind all the Rajneeshpuram crimes, except of course, the wiretapping of his own house but in the end he squarely blamed Sheela for everything. This is not the quality of a real guru at all.
If we look at the teachings of Osho, listen to his speeches and read his books, we will think very high of his spiritual stature. He appears to be greater than the Buddha himself. But wait a minute, don't believe all that was written in the books. Any intelligent speaker can talk that way. If Osho was really an enlightened man, how could he not understand the secret plans of Sheela? We can never get a satisfactory answer to this question. In the beginning he said to her ' You are in love with me and I am in love with you'. Poor Sheela believed those words ! In the end, after she flew away from Rajaneeshpuram, he said in an open interview ' She is a perfect bitch. She was sore that I did not make love to her'. I felt disgusted to hear him speak that way. In fact, I never heard any enlightened guru speak as nastily as Osho did in that interview. Shame on him !
Osho said many times that his vision was - Zorba the Buddha. It simply means, being able to enjoy all the pleasures of life and yet remain in the state of a Buddha. All this jargon sounds very good to listen to, but none can be like 'Zorba the Buddha' in his life. It does not mean doing all kinds of nasty things 24x7 and sitting in a meditative posture for some time, posing as if you are a Buddha. It never works that way ! He no doubt talked big words from the podium, but failed miserably in his life to set an example to others in true spiritual life. In this process, he ruined the lives of thousands of his innocent followers who were real seekers of spiritual solace.
A guru is one who shows you the right path, who leads you on the path of light and blessedness. We cannot call him a guru who plays with innocent lives and finally tries to escape saying 'I don't know, I am not responsible for all those nasty things. My secretary was responsible. Jail her!'. Similarly, if a guru says - means and ends can be different or diametrically opposite, you do anything but do meditation' - then we know for certain that he is a fraud. Your goal certainly depends on your path, your sadhana and what you do in your life. If one keeps walking on a muddy road with dirt all over his body and says ' I am going to heaven', we cannot believe it at all. You are just cheating yourself and cheating the world.
In the 70s there used to be what were called 'therapy groups' in the Pune ashram. Even for the foreigners, they were very costly programs. Indians were not allowed to participate in them. They used to conduct the groups secretly. There were beating, fighting and group sex in some of them. There were instances of broken bones and bruised faces in those sessions. However, foreigners used to stand in queue for doing them, because the sessions used to flush out all their psychological burdens and make them very light inside. The programs being costly, all their money used to be exhausted very soon leaving them penniless. So, some of the girls opted for prostitution to earn money and some men used to sell drugs. Osho never prohibited such activity. He just said 'Do the therapies'. Moreover, he used to support all their negative activity to earn money for the sake of meditation. One can see a cunning Jain in Osho at such times.
I really feel sorry for those sincere girls who went to the extent of selling their bodies in the Pune streets, just to be able to do meditation ! My heart goes out to them, wherever they are now ! I am sure if they are dead by now, they are in heaven and Osho lies in hell crying for help !
I am asking Osho a direct question. 'Couldn't you teach your bogus meditations to these sincere souls freely? Who told you to sell your meditations? Should a girl sell her body to do your meditations? And you supported such activity? Can you imagine your family members doing the same thing in Pune streets? Are you a human being? What is the value of your grand teachings contained in 300 books? Mere trash !'
It is for this reason that U G Krishnamurti, the true sage of last century, used to rightly call Osho a pimp.
We have an adage in India 'The king suffers for the sins of his people. The guru suffers for the sins of his disciples'. A guru must correct his disciples when they go astray and bring them back onto the right track. Instead of doing this, if one encourages them to do all sorts of nasty things only to leave them to their fate and fly away in a jet plane one fine morning shows that he is certainly a fake guru. Sheela also did the same thing a few months before. Together they ditched all the other disciples who trusted them with their lives and life long savings. Very bad indeed ! Both Osho and Sheela amassed heavy bad karma into their account !
The one thing that strikes an astrologer in her chart is the debility of Jupiter. Jupiter is called deva guru, or preceptor of gods in Indian astrology. If Jupiter or Guru is in Capricorn or Makara in a chart, you can understand on its face that the native will never be able to grow spiritually. It is a curse of Guru. Usually, such a native will get a very mean guru in his life or he gets ditched by his guru or he back stabs his guru or he himself will become a false guru. One of these things will certainly happen. This placement of Jupiter (Guru) in the chart is a result of the native's betrayal of his guru in his past birth. So, in this birth he will never evolve spiritually. If he is lucky to get a real guru, then he has to spend his life in serving him. By doing so, his past sin gets diluted. Usually, for people with debilitated Jupiter, astrological remedies never seem to work. Such is the power of this curse.
Let us look at the planetary positions in Sheela's chart.
Sun in Sagittarius
This gives a highly ambitious nature, an egoistic mindset and a flair to reach higher positions in a religious organisation because Sagittarius is the natural 9th house indicating religion and high position.
Rahu and Moon in Pisces
This is a bad yoga as per Indian Astrology. It generates the mindset of an underworld don. However, in this chart, Rahu represents Jupiter which is called Guru Chandala Yoga. This yoga appears in a chart due to the native betraying his guru in the past. By this yoga, the native lands himself in the clutches of a fake guru. It also makes the native to do things that are opposed to tradition and good conduct, crimes and clandestine activities.
Mars and Ketu in Virgo
This is a signature Yoga for hypocrisy and egoistic mindset. Ketu in Virgo signifies Mercury in exaltation. This shows a highly intelligent mindset bent towards crime. It also gives to the native a very adamant mind. She will try to boss over others, without listening to any sane advice. This is sarcastically called 'intelligence that brings about one's own death'.
Saturn in Leo
Coming to power from a backdoor, enjoying power for a while and then disappearing into oblivion - these are the indications of this Yoga. The native gains immense popularity in the masses but soon his fame turns into infamy.
Mercury, Venus and Jupiter in Capricorn
I have described in detail the effects of Jupiter or Guru in debility. Spirituality can never be their cup of tea. Strangely, Sheela utters the same words in the Netflix documentary. They go to any length to achieve what they are bent over. They get timely help from associates and companions but in the end everything will go into the drain. Meanwhile the native gets very bad name in the world. Karaka for intellect Mercury with neecha Jupiter shows that a mean guru will spoil her intellect. Venus in the same place shows the multiple sexual relations the native will have in her life, in a fake religious organisation.
We can see that all these incidents clearly happened in Sheela's life.
(To be continued)
Sunday, 19 July 2020
U.G (Uppaluri Gopalakrishna Murti) - Astro analysis
As far as I could see, there are only two persons from the land of Telugu people of India, who could stand tall facing the whole world and say 'Go to hell !'. One is Gudipati Venkata Chalam or simply Chalam and the other is Uppaluri Gopalakrishnamurti or simply UG. I wrote about Chalam a few years back. He was a poet, a novelist, a dreamer, a lover, and a seeker of ultimate meaning of life. He never cared for money, fake human relations, social restrictions, intellectual limitations and the like. UG was a person who denied the very existence of mind itself and said 'Unless you disappear, you cannot be'. Nobody knows Chalam, except the Telugu people and especially the literary circles of the old generation. The whole world knows about UG. Of course, the lost youth of today, is happily unaware of these two great personalities. People like Chalam are rarely born, and people like UG are born very very rarely.
Curiously, both were from Andhra Pradesh, from the same Krishna District and both were Brahmins. Chalam was born at Valluripalem and UG at Machilipatnam. Both were connected to Ramana Maharshi and both walked the path of Jnana. Chalam could not reach the goal but UG did.